Why lambo doors are so dangerous...!!!

[Working Cars]

This is in a foreign language, but the pictures say it all....

It also explains why ANY kind of lambo doors are SO DANGEROUS....!!!

For those that are not into anything gorey, please DO NOT click the link, if you want to know why, then please do....

It is not for the faint hearted, but does prove a very valid point......

[Chaos]

Seriously, Kev, I know you don't mean it in a nasty way, but that site and those pics are way too sick to put in a public forum dude. Like way too sick. I'm not sure if that's real or not, you could argue either way, but it was enough to turn my stomach and I've seem some right grisly shit in my time, seriously. Maybe link some of the pics without showing the explicit ones - people's imagination can work the rest out...

[Working Cars]

I do apologise, i will bear that it mind for anything in the future....

[Chaos]

Not having a pop, just offering some advice. ;) If you can, maybe edit that link out, then add some select photos from that thread on here to show what you mean, cos it's an interesting point, it's just finding that fine line on which to illustrate it.

PS: Just found out. It was in Czechoslovakia, and it was real. :(

[318:(]

ah man,

that is foul....

I dont understand the lamdo door issue?

that is a very very bad accident

[Working Cars]

The car was upside down, and the person inside could not open it because of this...

I can't edit the link, but if a mod could remover the link, then i will post some of the less horrific pics....

[Juber]

Good point there - Where is the driver or passenger going to escape if the doos open vertically?

:( :(

[m3cslboy]

i hope those involved RIP.

the lambo doors when upside down are not going to open, thus why the poor souls burned in the car .

[benny boy]

Thats bad gory stuff doesnt really bother me much but that did:eek:

[Moe]

Thats aweful the 200k lambo and people cant survive becuase ofone of its trademark features and yerr soem photos bti to exposed

[Har5ha]

Gallardo all the way :)

[Working Cars]

I didn't post this so much as in regard to that car, as most of us can only dream of ever onwing such a car, let alone being in a situation where it would be upside down.....

But think of all the modified cars on the scene today, that ARE likely to end up racing some idiot and the possibility is magnified so much it doesn;t bear thinking about.... And most of these people are kids that think there invincible and CAN drive....!!!

Now it becomes a dangerous situation to have those doors on your car.....

[MistaSmiff]

OMG :eek: ..I see your point..:eek:

[adood84]

I couldn't really continue to see the pics , saw 4 or 3rd and closed the window :( maybe Fas or nick could edit the link , I've seen lambo doors that actually open in both ways , I mean lambo style and normally , maybe Lamborghini should do something like this , but when the car in accident it could activate the normal door opening ... I wonder why the EU or the US with strict safety rules haven't noticed this before , it always take something like this to happen for things to get noticed

[BigFas]

I've removed the link, but PLEASE, let's leave this as a discussion. There's no need for pics. Life is hard enough as it is without seeing someone else's misfortune.

May they RIP.

I don't mind talking about the merits / demerits of the subject, but again, please keep it on topic.

Thank you

[Working Cars]

Cheers fas, i didn't mean to offend.

[BigFas]

as long as it's JUST the car and there's no HINT of human remains then it's acceptable.

[Shuriken]

I've missed the pics so maybe my question has already been answered, but even with lambo doors, whats to stop you smashing the windows out and crawling through? Easier said than done I understand, but if you're in an upside down burning car, I imagine you'd find a way.

Shuriken.

[adood84]

I don't think there is enough room to actually get the force to brake the window the interior is just small , also what happens if he was injured with a broken leg or hand , he could try and open the door bu breaking a glass would be a much harder task in that case

[Chaos]

The car in question was an actual Lambo Sam, with tiny windows in the first place. Once it had flipped onto it's roof everything got a little more squashed, and by the end of it (as far as you could tell from the pictures) there wasn't going to be anything much larger than an envelope going through that window space. With a Lambo conversion on a Beemer you'd maybe have had another inch or two, but you try climbing out of your car window with it undamaged, it's damn hard especially for blokes our size, with it squashed up it'd be a non-starter.

[adood84]

DO EU regulation test for this kind of accidants?

[Shuriken]

Yeah I guess so. Adood's comment and the normal opening in emergencies probably wouldn't work out either. BMW doors as of the mid-90's have the latch design that keeps the door shut in the case of a side impact. I suspect that in a crash as horrific as this one sounds, you wouldn't be able to open the door even if it were a sideways opening one. Not a very consoling thought when you think about it actually.. Hmm..

One a slightly lighter, door-related note; did anyone see the GT40 article on Top Gear? You can't get in it if the doors half open 'cos of the top of the door being part of the roof thing - classic design failure if ever I saw one.

Shuriken.

[adood84]

BMW doors as of the mid-90's have the latch design that keeps the door shut in the case of a side impact. I suspect that in a crash as horrific as this one sounds, you wouldn't be able to open the door even if it were a sideways opening one. Not a very consoling thought when you think about it actually.. Hmm..


Could anyboy confirm that , I really don't feel safe ifthat ws the case , what happens if I wanted to get out after an accidant of some sort?

[Working Cars]

This is probably the best pic to explain why without offending anyone.... Bearing in mind this car is UPSIDE DOWN.... I undersatnd it is a freak accident, but it doesn't help those involved.

And the only one i can safely post....!!!

I really don't understand the state of safety testing when it comes to stuff like this, and for a car that is not designed in this way in the 1st place should definately not have a conversion done....!!!

[AJ.]

Lambo need to make some kind of safety release built into the door pannel, allowing the door to pop out sideways, in this day and age that really shouldn't be too hard.

Two young girls lost their lives in this, RIP.

[Defector]

Could anyboy confirm that , I really don't feel safe ifthat ws the case , what happens if I wanted to get out after an accidant of some sort?

Latch design or not and regardless of manufacturer, it doesn't take much of a side impact before the door and surrounding framework are deformed enough to prevent easy opening.

I would have hoped in the case of the lambo there was a small explosive charge employed in connection with a gyro (similar to the system on BMW vert roll bars) to blow the doors off in the event of this happening.

To allow a car with such a low profile (thus preventing windscreen or rear screen being kicked out), cramped interior and vertical opening doors to exist without an emergency exit system could be seen as a little irresponsible.

HOWEVER, that said, bearing in mind the grip, low centre of gravity and sheer width of the vehicle I (as probably the designers) would find it almost impossible to imagine a situation where the car would be on its roof if i had not seen the attached images.

I will not speak ill of the dead, but you have to ask yourself whether they were fully capable of controlling such a vehicle especially in the icy conditions hinted at in the photos.

[adood84]

there is no car in this world that doesn't go upside down , even formula 1 cars , Lambo is a company that makes high end sport cars/super cars , they should expect that some people are going to do stupid things in them .

I had and accident in my vert when it was 2 months old and it was the fender got hit and it pushed the passenger door and it got stuck door and fender where changed although it wasn't that big of an accident , the roll bars came out , and I saw the dealer push them back in without replacing anything , so here is my question do they need to change those explosive charges?

[dodgyken]

AFAIK Lambo door conversions are illegal in Belguim - and I suspect also in other European countries. This same topic has been discussed on another forum - and the same points raised about opening in an emergency.

Many convertors will also allow the door to open in the normal manner.

Personally I dont think it enhances the car one little bit.

[phat///M3]

damn.

RIP to those involved. Glad my dad has a gallardo.

[JazzMan]

Saw those linked from another forum, that was pretty damn graphic.

I would have thought that the doors on most cars that have a crash like that wouldnt open anymore just from the body deformation. As I understand it in some serious crashes the passenger either gets out via the window or there's 3 people yanking on the door to get it open. That is they can get out without having the car cut to bits.

[Working Cars]

What would the impact be if pins where designed that BROKE in an impact, so the door would effectively fall off, there are so many ways it could remain attached to the car but the door would be open if you see what i mean....!

Although, this as many other discussions fail to point out, safety is a very serious matter, and i imagine the last thing a company like lamborghini or anyone else would want is bad publicity from an accident like this. But at the same time, driver error has to be blamed sometimes, as it is impossible to allow for every eventuality of every conceivable accident, but this case is somewhat different i think... it is very simple, car on roof, door won't open.... Take away the fact that it caught fire, it is still a very serious implication for a manufacturer.....

[Shuriken]

I have to admit it isn't a point I had considered before but it does surprise me the fact there isn't some kind of system as discussed. Or maybe there is and the car was too deformed.

Shuriken.

[adood84]

As I understand it in some serious crashes the passenger either gets out via the window or there's 3 people yanking on the door to get it open. That is they can get out without having the car cut to bits.


well in the lambo the first I would of thought as pointed earlier by Chaos and me is pretty hard to get out the window , the 2nd option is also impossible in a lambo door situation , they way I see it if the car had normal doors 3 could actually try to open it to the outside even if it was stuck it would come out with some force because its normal for it to open in that direction , but in the lambo door case you have to cut and actually remove the door in this situation because its designed to open up wards , I hope you get the idea.

Safety features are designed to make up for driver error , I blame the driver for the accident , but I blame lambo for not making it easier/safer to get out , for example if I have an accident I blame myself but if I survive that accident because of the Airbag or some other safety feature it would be because of BMWs engineers , Lambo( or Audi/VW which own lambo now and designed the Mercilago) have hundreds of engineers ,here on a forum we have had a couple of ideas atlleast which might work or not , I could only imagine what those scientist & engineers could come up with .

[Raj]

Heres my 2p worth. I agree with everyone that in this day and age there should be safety features that could in effect blow the door off in the event of an accident (but I think all manufacturers should be thinking about this). This accident was certainly a bit of a freak occurance in that the lambo ended up on its roof. I am pretty sure that lambo have designed the car to take into account most accidents (and have put safety measures in place). But in all honesty, I have seen plenty of accidents where cars with normal opening doors have ended up on their roof and the doors have been jammed shut. So I do not think that the way the doors open in this incident would have really made too much of a difference. RIP to those involved.

[adood84]

lets say we have 2 cars that are damaged one is a Mercilago and one is a Gallardo and the force needed to open both cars when they are sitting normally on the road is exactly the same , there is no problem here but when you flip them , they still have the same damage as before the only thing different is that they are upside down , then you can open the Gallardo with the same amount of force before but the Mercilago is different story , even if the door is not damaged its going to be a real bitch to open .... I'm not the best in explaining things lol its not a language thing I can't explain things even in Arabic lol hopfully sombody will get what I'm saying :D:D

[Juber]

the likelyhood rolling a super such as the Murc is very unlikely because of how low & wide it is. BUT in this accident looks like it flew off an edge/cliff & sadly landed on its roof.

ive seen quite a few smacked up supercars (www.wreckedexotics.com) most seem to burst into flames during an accident?

Im sure Lambo or Audi will think of some safety idea in such circumstances like this.

[Working Cars]

the likelyhood rolling a super such as the Murc is very unlikely because of how low & wide it is. BUT in this accident looks like it flew off an edge/cliff & sadly landed on its roof.

ive seen quite a few smacked up supercars (www.wreckedexotics.com) most seem to burst into flames during an accident?

Im sure Lambo or Audi will think of some safety idea in such circumstances like this.

That is a very valid point about most ending up in flames... What is the problem with plumbed in firextinguishers as being the norm for a supercar....??? It is not alot of weight for something that at the moment looks like it is an essential piece of safety equipment in such a car.

A prime example of these types of cars going wrong, is the bugatti veyron that tom cruise took to a premier, where the passenger door would not open because of an electronics fault.... So if it can happen in that way then safety really is a problem in an accident.... Supercar manufacturers have a lot to answer to in the role of safety...

[adood84]

I don't care how low or how wide a car is , you can't garuntee 100 % thats its not going to flip in some kind of accidant , didn't know about the Bugatti but it has something common with lambo which is Audi/VW lol

[Working Cars]

The video of tom with the bugatti is seen HERE (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6296319736773344488) Lol

[Hamann]

This is very very bad, i think even if the person who was driving was drunk, careless, stupid or anything like that we should feel sorry for ther relatives and love ones as no one deserves to die like that! Here are some photos of how the car looked, i think after seeing what has happened i might slow down!

[adood84]

This is very very bad, i think even if the person who was driving was drunk, careless, stupid or anything like that we should feel sorry for ther relatives and love ones as no one deserves to die like that!

I don't think anybody on this thread doesn't feel sorry for them , its just we are disussing the case in genral , even if you had an accidant of that kind without being carless or drunk...ect you might be avoiding something or what ever

[Working Cars]

I've seen sterring parts break that have caused worse accidents than this, so it is not always driver error, although it would appear that spped WAS a factor...

[InvIs Inc]

apparently the car clipped 2 bumps on the road the first ripped open the fuel tank then the second flipped the car into the forest :( the passenger was super model Renata Vaculčíková. :( (pic below)

i totally agree with kev super car manufacturers ar looking over a big problem.. ok the car is no doubt got more safety feature than ur avereage car to save you from a speed smash but after the smash itself there isnt anything 2 aid your escape or in this case stop the accident becoming even worse.

i kno there is only so much that can be done but in this day and age surely there is more tech available that whats actually being fitted :confused:


http://mike82.bloguje.cz/renata_vaculcikova.jpg?PHPSESSID=98a15430886d0b812 5d2a67d6edbf135

[InvIs Inc]

EDIT: just found out that the driver was a 47 yr old well experienced race driver (http://www.octaviacup.cz/index.php?article=2336).

just goes to show expierence means nothing when ur enviroment throughs u a curve ball.

the holes/ bumps must have been huge to rip thro fuel tank :eek: