One thousand and f**king fifty pounds

[MEGA]

....... To replace a dual mass flywheel clutch on a 2006 car that has only done 64k miles but is therefore 4k past the minimum allowed wear and tear mileage and therefore 4k past them covering under the warranty I pay £600 a year for.


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

On the plus side I have shagged their courtesy car to fuck. Red line every gear. Hopefully I send it back 5 miles short of complete failure.

Tossers.

[gie0320]

ooooooooopppsssssssssss.. I think you're pissed off Dave:p

As much as this guy:p

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa274/gie0320/Iphonepics1356.jpg

[MEGA]

... Well atleast you didn't ask me when I'm posting up my mods topic :p

[lumus]

couldn't you have got an Indy to do it? Would have cost loads less surely?

[mikem]

Re-map FTW ! :D

[Mitesh]

As soon as I saw the title, I had a feeling it was going to be that.

Just shows you, they have clauses for everything. Makes me wonder about how many people read the fine print. :(

[mr sideways]

my clutch and dmf went and i was quoted £800 to replace something thst wont last long. I got a stronger sport clutch a lightened smf for £350 fitted. Can you not do something simmilar?

[MEGA]

Nothing non-OEM avail as far as I'm aware so its hunting for something reconditioned then getting indy to fit it.

The hire car costs for me make that unviable unless I can source something basically tomorrow.

So if any suggestions.. let me know... :)

[mr sideways]

do not go to mr clutch even if they quote you £20.

[Purvesh]

Would be cheaper for you clock the car back 4k and then forward 4k

Not that I'd condone anything like that :rolleyes:

[Moe]

Would be cheaper for you clock the car back 4k and then forward 4k

Not that I'd condone anything like that :rolleyes:

Top Geeeza:D

[Dep]

I dont know how much the BMW parts are but try these links, I dont know if they will work for you as I used your reg:

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/k/DUAL%20MASS/p/Car-Parts

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/k/CLUTCH/p/Car-Parts

As far as I can see they dont make a single mass flywheel like Brendon suggests but they've only been out on the VAG scene for the last couple of years & they've been an issue since the Golf Mark 4. The Mark 5 even had a blanket re-call on all the TDi models!

[Raj]

Gutted Dave. I know how stealer costs can sting...

[MEGA]

lmao at Purvesh's suggestion. Mate, if you only knew the half of it. If your at Brooklands remind me to discuss it with you.

Too late now though BMW have got the mileage recorded at 64k now..

Not that I'd condone anything like that either :D


Anyway. I was going over speedbumps in the courtesy car at like 50 mph thismorning and I have gotten 180 miles out of a full tank of super unleaded. It makes me feel better.

[Purvesh]

lmao at Purvesh's suggestion. Mate, if you only knew the half of it. If your at Brooklands remind me to discuss it with you.

Too late now though BMW have got the mileage recorded at 64k now..

Did you not tell them your dyslexic and you meant 46k not 64k?!? LOL :D

[zarnd]

It does sting, a lot. Clutch went in the M5 at 38,000 miles. No chance of warranty claim. Land Rover went at 150,000 miles and still cost me £800 doing it at work!

As your car is still under extended warranty, if you were to have it done elsewhere they could technically void your warranty as all service and maintenance has to be done by BMW.

The warranty guy told me that I need to be careful with taking my car to the ring as it is technically classed as pace making and voides the warranty - what a knob!

cheers

[MEGA]

Ouch. I've heard the M5 clutch can run into multiple thousands...

I am starting to think the way forward is a £500 car and removable plates for when it breaks down. Plate off, thumb up - run. No worries.

Heh.

Cheers.

[Raj]

The clutch on my M is about £1500 plus labour.

[MEGA]

Wow. So that's another 800-900 in labour no doubt...

It makes for a real question. With this sort of car, and so many components excluded: Isn't it better to just give up on the FBMWSH once its out of standard 3 year warranty and go to garages charging £40/h for labour rather than 110? heh.

cobham aren't giving me any discounts on the price of the clutch at all. IE I could go to the parts counter and get the clutch for exactly what they've billed me for. And they won't budge on this at all.

So I see no tangible benefit to this warranty any more. In fact, its cost me money in every which way.

[JazzMan]

That sucks :( Getting the geabox off is a right pain is situ though so I guess that's why the costs add up.

They're not actually changing the flywheel though are they, just the clutch?

[MEGA]

BMW insist you take a flywheel as well as policy. Confirmed this with 2 different dealer networks. Sytner would allow me to buy just the clutch plate but really really desperately tried to convince me that I should get the flywheel changed too... IE, they know something about the clutch they aren't letting on? I don't know. Coopers cobham simply would not even allow me to buy just the clutch plate.

Ridiculous situation...

[mr sideways]

When you have a DMF on any car they allways recomend you change it with the clutch.
That why DMF's are so gay.

[Raj]

I'm just waiting the day the clutch goes on the M. Both Robin and i think Finnie have had issues with the clutches. Unless it goes soon, it will get harder to get them to cough up...

Glad you're back on the road at least. Isn't the increased speed just from less weight now they taken all that cash off you...

[Tilly]

Mega... not really had time to read this thread fully because I've got loads on so apologies if it's too late or already mentioned but so far... what's the state of the car at the mo? have you paid it? is it fitted or on order?

Reason being, you may be better putting an aftermarket setup in and converting it to a single mass flywheel.

When I blew my gearbox up on the S15 I stripped the car to find my dual mass flywheel was goosed too so for several reasons I swapped it out to a single mass and I put a lighten and balanced single mass uprated ally flwheel in with an uprated six puck paddle clutch for less than what you're paying LMAO.

I don't know how up you are on these and the workings but a dual mass flywheel as the name suggests essentially has two flywheels that are mated together and use a spring loaded mechanism to counteract vibrations and smooth gearchanges. These are manufactured and tuned to work within certain torque levels ie the standard output of your car.

I don't know if yours is mapped or not but im assuming it probably is, as soon as you map a car, especially turbo D/turbo petrol cars, the torque curve completely changes and it puts a lot of stress on the standard system. Many manufacturers actually offer kits to swap out the DMF back to a single mass, the VAG group VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda being a prime example. It can save money and also IMO make the cars nicer to drive, gear changes will feel a tad different but engine response and driveability out on the road will change....

Just a thought :)

[MEGA]

Isn't the increased speed just from less weight now they taken all that cash off you...

Hah. Valid point. Your probably right :( :(

[MEGA]

Mega... not really had time to read this thread fully because I've got loads on so apologies if it's too late or already mentioned but so far... what's the state of the car at the mo? have you paid it? is it fitted or on order?

Reason being, you may be better putting an aftermarket setup in and converting it to a single mass flywheel.

When I blew my gearbox up on the S15 I stripped the car to find my dual mass flywheel was goosed too so for several reasons I swapped it out to a single mass and I put a lighten and balanced single mass uprated ally flwheel in with an uprated six puck paddle clutch for less than what you're paying LMAO.

I don't know how up you are on these and the workings but a dual mass flywheel as the name suggests essentially has two flywheels that are mated together and use a spring loaded mechanism to counteract vibrations and smooth gearchanges. These are manufactured and tuned to work within certain torque levels ie the standard output of your car.

I don't know if yours is mapped or not but im assuming it probably is, as soon as you map a car, especially turbo D/turbo petrol cars, the torque curve completely changes and it puts a lot of stress on the standard system. Many manufacturers actually offer kits to swap out the DMF back to a single mass, the VAG group VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda being a prime example. It can save money and also IMO make the cars nicer to drive, gear changes will feel a tad different but engine response and driveability out on the road will change....

Just a thought :)

A fair thought but within reason I really just want to keep the car standard and definitely it needs to maintain the FBMWSH. Its on PCP and eventually needs either returning to stock or selling privately. Now, theres an element on "Will they actually notice ??" about it - and another element of my just really not being bothered with such hassle.

Its definitely food for thought though and I'd consider it in future.

All of that said and done however I've already paid so a bit late now :)

Cheers

[Tilly]

bah shame :( essentially though what I meant was it wouldn't need to be uprated, just its cheaper to fit a single mass flywheel and clutch (doesn't have to be a performance one) but they wouldn't know come handback time and wouldn't complain :) plus if its out of its warranty anyway... f*ck em haha

[Theivz]

Tilly great bit of advice. Sorry to threadjack Mega but could I do something similar - ie cheaper but better clutch/dmf - my motor is a 320i (2.2) manual (mapped) and the clutch may be going or so i'm told ...

[MEGA]

Yours doesn't have a DMF I don't think. Unless they brought it in midway thru e46 life as I know Afif's 2001 e46 was standard flywheel...

[Theivz]

mine is DMF according to bmw berry

[Tilly]

I think even E36's had dual mass flywheels in... let me have a look whats out there. It seems your best point of contact is someone that stucks Valeo parts, it looks like they're the boys for all the OE style single mass conversions :)

[Theivz]

I think even E36's had dual mass flywheels in... let me have a look whats out there. It seems your best point of contact is someone that stucks Valeo parts, it looks like they're the boys for all the OE style single mass conversions :)

ok mate if you don't mind keeping me posted or sending me a pm I would appreciate that

just doing a bit of research into this before my clutch goes!:eek:

Having said that ... it's not even slipping yet

[MEGA]

Right very strange. Maybe Af got his converted then..

Sorry for mis-information..

[Tilly]

well if your clutch goes and your dual mass isn't screwed then you could just throw a new one in there. Although they recommend changing them it's not the end of the world if they're okay. Although yours has had a remap, it's only a small engine petrol so it's not too hardcore, you dont have the same torque jumps as a turbo'd car so it could be alright :)

[Theivz]

well if your clutch goes and your dual mass isn't screwed then you could just throw a new one in there. Although they recommend changing them it's not the end of the world if they're okay. Although yours has had a remap, it's only a small engine petrol so it's not too hardcore, you dont have the same torque jumps as a turbo'd car so it could be alright :)

phew ... very true. let me know if you find any stronger "more cost efficient" options :D pls

[Tilly]

Try walking

[Theivz]

Try walking

lol cheers! :D

my missus just gone on mat leave so i'm covering all bills ... sorry if my skintness sounded cheap :D

when it rains it pours eh!

[Tilly]

edit: Try contraception

LMAO

[Theivz]

tell me about it ... lol ...