Got caught speeding (Some Advise)

[shaz350z]

I was on my way home after picking my car up, on the motorway a car comes up tailgaiting me, so i put my foot down a bit and went above the speed limit and then he took the next junction off and i slowed a bit but was still going over the limit, and then the next minute i can see these bright xenon lights on my rear view mirror, next there flashing blue lights. So any way im in the back seat in the police car, and i ask to see the evidence, the officer says he hasent got any as the car behind me was also speeding and he never recorded me actually speeding. So they've done there checks and come back im all legit and the officer says im all good to go but never gave me a ticket or anything but says they will report the offence to the proscuter fiscal and i should get something through the post. I have never been done for speeding before. What u guys think will happen?

[bootyman]

Without evidence they cant do you for anything mate. I wouldnt worry!

[shaz350z]

Without evidence they cant do you for anything mate. I wouldnt worry!


Man i hope not. But if they had evidence do they usually give u a slip or something

[Mitesh]

They have to submit the claim to the court to verify that you have pulled over for legitimate reasons but without any evidence, the court can throw the case out.

Best thing to do is keep an eye on the post.

[Tilly]

Without evidence they cant do you for anything mate. I wouldnt worry!

Yes they can, I learnt this the hard way with a 56 day driving ban for something I wasn't doing.

It all depends on what your response was. If they tried getting you to admit guilt they can then prosecute. Did he mention anything about a notice of intended prosecution? Does that sound familiar? Legally they have to read this to you and asked you to confirm you understand. Whether they actually do or not is another story.

In my personal scenario, they had no evidence against be but because I worded my reply... "I'm sorry but I didn't think I was going that fast" in other words a polite way of saying "f*ck off you liar, you're chatting bubbles" I was apparently admitting to the offence by saying sorry when merely I was being polite and stating he was incorrect but sure enough they prosecuted. Did you in any way, shape or form say anything that could be classed as admitting to the offence?

If not, deny everything. If they ever ask how fast you were going, your reply? "quick". One persons definition to anothers is completely different so what can they say? nothing, it's opinion, not fact. I lost all respect for them after I was sh*t on like this.

Put it this way... my friend was recently pulled at xxx/silly, mph but he was going physically too fast for them to catch up and record his speed, he got pulled at a set of traffic lights down the road. They played him a video of him obviously going like an absolute c*nt but they cannot prove his speed as he was too far infront!

[Tilly]

no they dont need to give you a slip. If they gave you a verbal notice of intended prosecution they have 6 months in which you must be summonsed if it is to be persued.

[lumus]

Worst case scenario is a £60 fine and 3 points.

If you do get 3 points and they are your first ones then there wont really be any consequences. Your insurance shouldn't go up. 3 points on a license is pretty common.

[shaz350z]

Yes they can, I learnt this the hard way with a 56 day driving ban for something I wasn't doing.

It all depends on what your response was. If they tried getting you to admit guilt they can then prosecute. Did he mention anything about a notice of intended prosecution? Does that sound familiar? Legally they have to read this to you and asked you to confirm you understand. Whether they actually do or not is another story.

In my personal scenario, they had no evidence against be but because I worded my reply... "I'm sorry but I didn't think I was going that fast" in other words a polite way of saying "f*ck off you liar, you're chatting bubbles" I was apparently admitting to the offence by saying sorry when merely I was being polite and stating he was incorrect but sure enough they prosecuted. Did you in any way, shape or form say anything that could be classed as admitting to the offence?

If not, deny everything. If they ever ask how fast you were going, your reply? "quick". One persons definition to anothers is completely different so what can they say? nothing, it's opinion, not fact. I lost all respect for them after I was sh*t on like this.

Put it this way... my friend was recently pulled at xxx/silly, mph but he was going physically too fast for them to catch up and record his speed, he got pulled at a set of traffic lights down the road. They played him a video of him obviously going like an absolute c*nt but they cannot prove his speed as he was too far infront!

Yes he did mention notice of intended prosecution. He turned the camera round and was basicly recording me. My exact words were, if i was speeding im sorry but im sure i wasent officer and his reply was, we both know u were speeding and u were traveling at x amount of speed.

[shaz350z]

Worst case scenario is a £60 fine and 3 points.

If you do get 3 points and they are your first ones then there wont really be any consequences. Your insurance shouldn't go up. 3 points on a license is pretty common.


If the worst comes i could deal with 3 points but hope its nothing more than that.

[Tilly]

Worst case scenario is a £60 fine and 3 points.

If you do get 3 points and they are your first ones then there wont really be any consequences. Your insurance shouldn't go up. 3 points on a license is pretty common.

Not true, no offence, dont mean to be a d*ck so dont think I am being but you cannot say that when it's not true. He hasnt even stated what speed he was doing, what he's been accused of nor how long he was followed for. If worst case scenario is 3 points 60 quid fine, please explain why I have a 56 day ban for an SP30 with a £1000 fine because believe you me... I'd much rather not have it as it causes me uber insurance issues.

The only issue is you've said "if" you were speeding which is potentially saying you dont know. If he can say he followed you over x distance and your speed didn't fall below x mph. It's not rocket science to say your average speed was x mph. It depends what figures you're talking. I actually still have the statement from the knob who pulled me somewhere here on my desk... hold on I'll try and dig it out

[Mahal]

A "friend" got done for speeding In December 2007 by traffic police, the copper gave him a lecture, they never had a camera in the car so never recorded nothing but the copper did have a digital camera and took pictures of his plates and said they would report to the dvla.. He also advised my friend that he would get a few points and a heavy fine.. But once again never made him sign nothing....

My friend was happy for most off the year until mid August when he received a court summons for dangerous driving.. One day before he went holiday...

In the end my friend got a bad ass solicitor and the court dropped the case end of Oct because...

A: They had no evidence cause of lack of resources.. (i.e no camera)

b: The 2 officers in particular pulled up outside the "Friends" house the night before the court case and with big smiles and grins and shouted "Mr *****. Just making sure you’re in court tomorrow.. To which they got replied to by 2 fingers, but this was wrong because they had to identify the "friend" the next day and they we're not allowed to have any contact with him..

but mainly because...

B: The 2 coppers had given individual statements which just echoed each other.. except one thing...

Officer (A)rsehole: Said the incident happened on (for example)
Saturday 3th December at 0.05 hours

Officer (B)lond Bitch: Said the incident happened on (for example)
Sunday 4th December at 0.05 hours

Needless to say this expensive solicitor wiped his arse with these 2 in court and made sure the CPS paid for the lack of intelligence, bullshitting 2 police officers..

[Tilly]

Basically they twisted what was said...

I'm not typing the whole statement out but essentially he claimed I was doing a speed I wasn't. Anywho...

This is taken direct from their statement, please note there was no evidence, video or otherwise. This piece of paper is all they used to prosecute, he made up lies and said he couldn't get my attention blah blah, I ALWAYS look in my mirrors and am aware of cars behind me flashing headlights at 11 o clock at night in the pitch black!!!!

".....I carried on along the A59 towards Chatburn, still unable to make any impression on the Mercedes. It then indicated left at Pendle Road junction where a marked patrol was waiting for the Mercedes. The vehicle now slowed down on seeing the marked patrol and eventually came to a stop on Goosebutts Lane.

I alighted and spoke to the driver. I cautioned him and pointed out my observations, he replied "I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING THAT FAST". I then gave him a verbal notice of intended prosecution and informed him he would be reported for summons. He replied "I'M SORRY"..."

Now that quote is taken direct from his statement and is not only bullsh*t but manipulated. I did NOT reply "I'm sorry" after being given an NIP which sounds like an admission of guilt. I said "I'm sorry but I didn't think I was going that fast" before he mentioned anything about an NIP. Nothing was recorded and it was literally his word against mine. I did NOT slow upon seeing a marked car, I carried on at the same speed... because I wasn't doing the speeds he claimed so would have no reason to panic or slow down just because I saw a car! The marked police car did an illegal U turn in the middle of a single carriageway national speedlimit road but that's okay right?

The guy in the unmarked fiesta who wrote this statement did NOT "point out his observations" he swore at me, shouted his mouth off and F'd and blinded at me. They're slippery bastards and will do what they can for you to admit guilt. Something I did not do but they made it sound like I did. Needless to say, this statement and my driving licence are both evidence to prove that yes you CAN be prosecuted. If you want to talk to me over PM re speeds and any other details you think may be important I'll happily give you my input. I'd love to say dont worry about it blah blah but I think you'd prefer the truth rather than lies. Feel free to ask away

[Mahal]

I agree...

Not meaning to sounds a c**t, but I'd not write it off completly for a atleast a year.. cause they may think its speeding but CPS may think its Dangerous Driving.. hence they have up to a year to take action

[Tilly]

im pretty sure its 6 months rather than 12 if the registered keeper was driving. They have longer if its a company car or registered to someone else to the best of my knowledge

[mho]

Damn, that's some story Tilly, it's so depressing to hear our law enforcement behaving so despicably like this.

Shaz, let's hope it's nothing. I got 3 points recently (for speeding) and had to pay £180 on top of my annual insurance premium.

[lumus]

Not true, no offence, dont mean to be a d*ck so dont think I am being but you cannot say that when it's not true. He hasnt even stated what speed he was doing, what he's been accused of nor how long he was followed for. If worst case scenario is 3 points 60 quid fine, please explain why I have a 56 day ban for an SP30 with a £1000 fine because believe you me... I'd much rather not have it as it causes me uber insurance issues.


Well I say that because I was clocked at 95MPH in Oct 2005 on the M1. Got 3 points and a £60 fine. It's had no effect on the 3 different insurance policies I've had since.
I thought you had to be doing at least 100 to get a ban?

They way he described how he got above the limit then slowed a bit I got just got the impression he wasnt tonking it too much.

I hate to give misinformation so am sorry for the inacuracies :o.

If you werent hammering it too much hopefully it wont amount to much.

[shaz350z]

A "friend" got done for speeding In December 2007 by traffic police, the copper gave him a lecture, they never had a camera in the car so never recorded nothing but the copper did have a digital camera and took pictures of his plates and said they would report to the dvla.. He also advised my friend that he would get a few points and a heavy fine.. But once again never made him sign nothing....

My friend was happy for most off the year until mid August when he received a court summons for dangerous driving.. One day before he went holiday...

In the end my friend got a bad ass solicitor and the court dropped the case end of Oct because...

A: They had no evidence cause of lack of resources.. (i.e no camera)

b: The 2 officers in particular pulled up outside the "Friends" house the night before the court case and with big smiles and grins and shouted "Mr *****. Just making sure you’re in court tomorrow.. To which they got replied to by 2 fingers, but this was wrong because they had to identify the "friend" the next day and they we're not allowed to have any contact with him..

but mainly because...

B: The 2 coppers had given individual statements which just echoed each other.. except one thing...

Officer (A)rsehole: Said the incident happened on (for example)
Saturday 3th December at 0.05 hours

Officer (B)lond Bitch: Said the incident happened on (for example)
Sunday 4th December at 0.05 hours

Needless to say this expensive solicitor wiped his arse with these 2 in court and made sure the CPS paid for the lack of intelligence, bullshitting 2 police officers..


Bet thats the last thing he wanted a day before going on holiday. Am glad he got away at the end..

[shaz350z]

Damn, that's some story Tilly, it's so depressing to hear our law enforcement behaving so despicably like this.

Shaz, let's hope it's nothing. I got 3 points recently (for speeding) and had to pay £180 on top of my annual insurance premium.


So as soon as u get points, do u tell the insurance company straight away or wait till the policy needs renewing?

[shaz350z]

Well I say that because I was clocked at 95MPH in Oct 2005 on the M1. Got 3 points and a £60 fine. It's had no effect on the 3 different insurance policies I've had since.
I thought you had to be doing at least 100 to get a ban?

They way he described how he got above the limit then slowed a bit I got just got the impression he wasnt tonking it too much.

I hate to give misinformation so am sorry for the inacuracies :o.

If you werent hammering it too much hopefully it wont amount to much.


Yeah hopefully wont be much. Will let u know what happens

[beemer477]

alright bro dont worry about it you will be ok they dont have any proof of how fast you were going!you should have said to them IS IT CAUSE AYE IS BLACK!!!:D

[shaz350z]

alright bro dont worry about it you will be ok they dont have any proof of how fast you were going!you should have said to them IS IT CAUSE AYE IS BLACK!!!:D


Just hope i dont... LOL

[mho]

So as soon as u get points, do u tell the insurance company straight away or wait till the policy needs renewing?

you have to hand in your documents (paper + card) to the police station and the process the points on it. Could take up to 3 months before you get it back. I waited until my license came back before notifying my insurance company. It was a pain having to bring out my passport every time I went clubbing lol (for id).

[J1SUA]

you have to hand in your documents (paper + card) to the police station and the process the points on it. Could take up to 3 months before you get it back. I waited until my license came back before notifying my insurance company. It was a pain having to bring out my passport every time I went clubbing lol (for id).

Yep, tell the insurance company straight away, if you have another misfortune then your insurance is invalid because it is not up to date

[Tilly]

Well I say that because I was clocked at 95MPH in Oct 2005 on the M1. Got 3 points and a £60 fine. It's had no effect on the 3 different insurance policies I've had since.
I thought you had to be doing at least 100 to get a ban?

They way he described how he got above the limit then slowed a bit I got just got the impression he wasnt tonking it too much.

I hate to give misinformation so am sorry for the inacuracies :o.

If you werent hammering it too much hopefully it wont amount to much.

Magistrates guidelines say 100mph but not always the case, plus depends on the road. Where I was for example fluctuates between single and dual carriageway so parts are 60 parts are 70. Generally less than 100 would be points but not always the case unfortunately. I never went into 3 figures but the copper claimed otherwise. Apparently followed me from one roundabout to another for 3 or 4 miles in excess of 120 mph racing a diesel corsa van. Bearing in mind I was driving a Merc C class kompressor automatic where if you wanted to go fast its foot to the floor it does the rest for you. It wouldn't take 4 miles to overtake a diesel van on a straight empty road and coming off a roundabout when he apparently followed my I went 3/4 of the way round turning right. How fast can I go round a roundabout without the back stepping out? Maybe what, 40 before getting onto the near straight, clear, open carriageway? So in theory he claims I accelerated from 40 to 120 "racing" and I was behind the corsa van? Surely if his claims are true he'd be behind me. And secondly the car he claimed to follow me in was an unmarked 1.25 fiesta. I'm surprised it'll even do 120. Oh sorry... it wont!! They're d*cks mate. A story based on lies. Where's this corsa driver? why was he never stopped or in court? Where's the evidence? Why was the speedo calibration carried out the day AFTER I was stopped. Since when has a 1.25 fiesta been capable of even 110mph let alone 120? They havent because according to published figures they top out in the 10x region. C0cks

[mho]

Tilly, how did the judge believe these people? Surely anyone with some common sense would see that it don't make sense.

[Tilly]

Because I'd been stupid and done the honest thing thinking it was the best route to take. I admitted I was speeding but said I was nowhere near those speeds and was closer to 80 odd on the single carriageway. The funny thing was I was going fastest on the dual carriageway when I hit circa 95 on the clocks which'll equate to somewhere in the region of 88-90 in a 70 zone but they never mentioned the dual carriageway in the statement... I wonder why? *rolls eyes* because the single carriageway carries a lower speed limit and makes me look like a c*nt.

I doubt many if any of you will know the piece of road because there's very few northerners here but for if you do the CPS were cocks and tried making a loada sh*t up. He described the A59 as a dangerous S bend... I mean come on, you f*cking sh*tting me right? This is the stretch of road:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/SiScort/a59.jpg

You can see the edge of the first roundabout in the bottom left corner and the second roundabout in the top right corner. This was 11 o clock at night on a clearly straight, open single carriageway with open views of fields and clear vision all around and not a single junction on the road... The road that crosses the A59 on the map is a bridge running overhead. Please note the scale on the map

The magistrates looked at each other and pulled faces because they obviously knew the stretch of road with being local-ish themselves and knew he was exagerating but still didn't listen to a word I had to say. The joys of being young and driving a merc with bitter coppers with nothing better to do but get jealous and lie... So many things.

1. He wasn't in uniform.
2. He didn't follow me with lights on which legally they have to if he claims to have gone over a certain speed in an unmarked car, but then again I wasn't doing said speeds.
3. I wasnt racing.
4. No corsa van was ever stopped.
5. His car wont do the claimed speeds.
6. The marked patrol car did an illegal U turn coming onto the carriageway from a junction further up the road.
7. He was on his own in the Fiesta and lied about having a PCSO in the car but then again they sent me the summons 5 and a half months after the alleged offence (which is a bastards trick in itself with them having 6 months) and in addition like the PCSO would even remember something like that and being a supporting officer he's gonna ass lick a proper copper and just agree to everything that he said and so although he didn't make a statement he'll say yes I was with him, he wasn't.
8. He twisted my words and the statement.
9. Had no evidence.

Need I go on?

[westside]

Because I'd been stupid and done the honest thing thinking it was the best route to take. I admitted I was speeding but said I was nowhere near those speeds and was closer to 80 odd on the single carriageway. The funny thing was I was going fastest on the dual carriageway when I hit circa 95 on the clocks which'll equate to somewhere in the region of 88-90 in a 70 zone but they never mentioned the dual carriageway in the statement... I wonder why? *rolls eyes* because the single carriageway carries a lower speed limit and makes me look like a c*nt.

I doubt many if any of you will know the piece of road because there's very few northerners here but for if you do the CPS were cocks and tried making a loada sh*t up. He described the A59 as a dangerous S bend... I mean come on, you f*cking sh*tting me right? This is the stretch of road:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/SiScort/a59.jpg

You can see the edge of the first roundabout in the bottom left corner and the second roundabout in the top right corner. This was 11 o clock at night on a clearly straight, open single carriageway with open views of fields and clear vision all around and not a single junction on the road... The road that crosses the A59 on the map is a bridge running overhead. Please note the scale on the map

The magistrates looked at each other and pulled faces because they obviously knew the stretch of road with being local-ish themselves and knew he was exagerating but still didn't listen to a word I had to say. The joys of being young and driving a merc with bitter coppers with nothing better to do but get jealous and lie... So many things.

1. He wasn't in uniform.
2. He didn't follow me with lights on which legally they have to if he claims to have gone over a certain speed in an unmarked car, but then again I wasn't doing said speeds.
3. I wasnt racing.
4. No corsa van was ever stopped.
5. His car wont do the claimed speeds.
6. The marked patrol car did an illegal U turn coming onto the carriageway from a junction further up the road.
7. He was on his own in the Fiesta and lied about having a PCSO in the car but then again they sent me the summons 5 and a half months after the alleged offence (which is a bastards trick in itself with them having 6 months) and in addition like the PCSO would even remember something like that and being a supporting officer he's gonna ass lick a proper copper and just agree to everything that he said and so although he didn't make a statement he'll say yes I was with him, he wasn't.
8. He twisted my words and the statement.
9. Had no evidence.

Need I go on?

i like that map :-)

[Neil McRae]

So I got done with a laser coming out of the euston underpass. No documentation was handed to me as I had all my paperwork in the car at the time. If you didn't have paperwork on you I'm surprised you didn't get a producer.

In England, if the copper is having to break the speed limit to keep up with you, then you are done. All the magistrate needs to hear is the copper saying "I was having to break the speed limit to keep up m'lud" and its all over. Magistrates beleive everything a cop tells them.

In England the limit is 6 months, I'd check what it is in Scotland as the legal system is quite differernce. I thought I'd got away with the underpass thing but on the second day before the 6 month limit I got my court summons. c**ksuckers.

Golden rule in these circumstances is to say as little as possible. They will try alsorts of tricks to get you to admit that you are guilty NEVER EVER APOLOGISE! (same applies in a crash).

[Tilly]

Golden rule in these circumstances is to say as little as possible. They will try alsorts of tricks to get you to admit that you are guilty NEVER EVER APOLOGISE! (same applies in a crash).


AMEN to that one!! If you're honest you get shafted more than what you actually should do just for being straight. In this case, honesty definitely isnt the best policy! W4nkers

[shaz350z]

So I got done with a laser coming out of the euston underpass. No documentation was handed to me as I had all my paperwork in the car at the time. If you didn't have paperwork on you I'm surprised you didn't get a producer.

In England, if the copper is having to break the speed limit to keep up with you, then you are done. All the magistrate needs to hear is the copper saying "I was having to break the speed limit to keep up m'lud" and its all over. Magistrates beleive everything a cop tells them.

In England the limit is 6 months, I'd check what it is in Scotland as the legal system is quite differernce. I thought I'd got away with the underpass thing but on the second day before the 6 month limit I got my court summons. c**ksuckers.

Golden rule in these circumstances is to say as little as possible. They will try alsorts of tricks to get you to admit that you are guilty NEVER EVER APOLOGISE! (same applies in a crash).

I had no documention on me, they done a check by police radio thing, Every thing came back clear but never gave me a producer. The worst thing soon as we pulled away i just stayed to 70mph and the police car must have been doing over a 100mph with no lights on. For a minute i felt like putting the nos on. LOL

[Neil McRae]

thats good news if they are stopping wasting time giving out producers.

just for clarity, you don't have to lie, but same again you don't have to volunteer any information - its innocent until proven guilty and they have to do the leg work to prove you guilty, don't make it easy for them.

[shaz350z]

Update: Got a citation through the post from the procurator fiscal. The speed they recorded was 97-99 mph. They have sent a court date but also says i can plead guilty and sign the form and i dont have to attend.

What u guys think, 3 points and £60 fine??

[m3tiko]

Mate...just plead the now.

I got my ticket through for using my phone few months back. Basically, I was told it was £60 fne and 3 points, so being a lazy c*nt I am never dealt with it till getting the letter from PF. Admitted to the offence then...£180 fine and 3 points.

[Alym786]

Update: Got a citation through the post from the procurator fiscal. The speed they recorded was 97-99 mph. They have sent a court date but also says i can plead guilty and sign the form and i dont have to attend.

What u guys think, 3 points and £60 fine??

But with no evidence??? I'd consult a Lawyer bro...

[Black Sabbath]

But with no evidence??? I'd consult a Lawyer bro...
Me thinks you would be wasting your time,take the 3 points,move on end of it.You think they haven't got it documented or recorded?bet they have

[MEGA]

If you were caught at 97 and they are offering 3 points take it mate and move on.

If you take that to court and they win they could theoretically ban you or atleast give you £250 and 6 points, rather than £60 and 3 points.

Anything above 93 is ban territory...

I'd take it on the chin and move on.

[shaz350z]

The thing is im not sure what the outcome is going to be. Thats why im asking will i get away with 3 points and £60 fine or much worse.

[MEGA]

go on pepipoo.com and use the Wizard to see what you'll get. Basically you answer a bunch of questions and it tells you what the supposed outcome could be and helps recommend what you should do...

[Styler]

you are lucky to only get 3 points for doing almost 100mph, as these days getting caught doing a 100mph you would get a straight ban!

Just pay the fine before they change their mind, going to court i'm sure they would try to inflict the highest possible fine/points

[lumus]

Have you already got any points on your license? If not, then take the punishment. The 3 points are a non-event and shouldnt really affect insurance etc. It is essentially a £60 punishment which is nowt.

[mho]

When I had my first 3 points put on my license I had to pay the insurance company £180 extra :S

Not discouraging you to take the points, just pointing out that you may have to pay extra for your premium due to points as I did. Same as the others have said, I would just take the 3 points unless you have access to advice from a top notch lawyer who specialises in these cases.

[Styler]

The bottom line is you were speeding at high speed and got caught.

You can't go into court denying this and saying you got no evidence as I'm sure they must have some evidence to back this up otherwise they would have let you go. Even if they didn't recorded your speed they must have recorded there own speed in the car trying to catch you up.

[mysticm3]

3points and only 60 fine for 90+mph is min. mate but you could always dress up nicely and attend the court and plead guilty in person acting sorry and be nice and see what they give you instead. might be heavier might be lighter without no point and just fine with a 28day ban something like that.

[m3tiko]

Off topic but on in a way.....

As i said earlier I got caught using my phone. Is it true that a CU80 is seen in the worst possibly way by the insurance companies?

[westside]

Off topic but on in a way.....

As i said earlier I got caught using my phone. Is it true that a CU80 is seen in the worst possibly way by the insurance companies?

yeah CU80 means CU later