M25 J10 - J15 Cameras

[mystic sport]

Guys, I have read that as of February 15th all cameras on the M25 between J10 and 15 (A3 to the M40) are going digital and having their threshold set at 80mph (true speed) and will be active 24/7, (as opposed to peak times only/93mph at present).

I never exceed 80mph through there anyway but looks like it will be a steady 70 now. I doubt if they will work in the same way as SPECS, i.e. average speed over the full distance) but I daresay this will catch a massive amount of drivers as I see so many taking liberties with these camera. Looks like Surrey cops (or whoever the constabulary is) is going to have a mighty fine christmas party this year!!

[BMW JAY84]

This is a complete an utter piss take :mad: So if im drivng home at 3am in the morning after a call out ill still have to do 80 on an empty motorway or will this be only when the signs are active ? Where did you read this Paul ? I bet this wont be widely publicised either. In non peak times id say the average speed here is between 80-95 mph

If this is indeed true this is going to create havoc with people late breaknig between cameras and speeding up again. Will someone please give these c**ts a clue :mad:

As you may of gathered not impressed

[Hotcoupe]

I got an e-mail the other day (below) stating the same.
I'm not convinced by it's authenticity however, as I recall a similar story doing the rounds a couple of years back.

Perhaps our online Police Liason officer could advise (Gavin - comments?)

Personally speaking and based on the time of day I venture onto the moving car park (M25), getting above 40mph would be a novelty!





Subject: M25 JCT 10-15 Digital Speed Cameras Going Live 15th Feb 08
Importance: High

All

I have just been informed by my dad who works for the Metropolitan
Police Service (for those of you who didn't know) that as from the 15th
February 08 all the Speed Cameras in the Variable Speed Limit section of
the M25 near Heathrow Airport (JCT 10-15) are going digital, and the
activation limit is being lowered.

They are currently the older film type cameras and Set at 90mph when the
Variable Limit Signs are not in operation.

The new digital cameras are going to be set at the normal speed limit +
10%
+ 2mph (80mph + and you're taking a risk basically) when the signs are
+ not
in use i.e. national speed limit. I can't confirm the activation limit
when the signs are set (variable limits showing) but believe it would
be the same 10% + 2mph of the speed shown by the sign at that time.

Please pass this on to anyone you know.

I hope this saves a few of you getting points on your licence!!!

Regards,

[mystic sport]

Anyone car to be a guinea pig and see if it is true. I won't be offering my services ;) . I am the same as you Jay. Often on that stretch at silly hours in the morning after a call out but I still set the cruise at no more than 80 for that whole stretch (and indeed the whole journey ;) ).

[Vert]

Why 80mph and 93mph? I never exceeded 70 because I knew between j10-j11 there's cameras on almost all of the gantries.

[BMW JAY84]

Yeah absolutely. No cant say I will be volunteering my services to test the theory.

Knwo what you mean I also have the cruise at 68 on the motorway ish......:)

[mystic sport]

80mph in the M3 seems to give a GPs speed of 75mph so I always feel this acceptable and surely a safe limit through the gantry scameras, or, do you mean why will they set the speed limit to 80mph before the camera snaps you? No idea why the 93mph either.

[Doc Matt]

I got flashed today by a notorious camera that I pass everyday. Its amazing how you get so used to the roads and you get flashed by a camera you tell all the others to watch out for. What a twat.

It flashes at 34 or higher.:mad: And guess what, I was doing spot on 34 :(

[Black Sabbath]

I will see if I can find out about this and get a definitive answer ;)

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Hotcoupe]
Perhaps our online Police Liason officer could advise (Gavin - comments?)
QUOTE]


Hahaha.....glad I made an impact! :D

I've not heard anything to confirm whether this is true or not, so would question it's authenticity....

Btw yes it is Surrey Constabulary...

[BMW JAY84]

Do some digging pls gavin ;)

[Gary]

Pretty sure that the cameras are only actually active when the variable speed limit is in place. I've been in a car on many occasions around that stretch of the M25 that has been travelling in excess of the speeds mentioned and it has never been flashed (not necessarily saying i was driving!).
I was under the impression that fixed cameras on motorways were only legal if they were enforcing a reduced speed limit - i.e. when the variable signs that they have on parts of the M25 or M42 are on, or stretches where there are roadworks.
Don't quote me on this though as the government seems to be trying every trick to catch motorists breaking the speed limit - and before anyone says it, yes i know it is illegal but a large proportion of drivers do it - especially now they've just announced an £18 billion hole in their budget, so we can expect things to get worse.

[Black Sabbath]

Pretty sure that the cameras are only actually active when the variable speed limit is in place. I've been in a car on many occasions around that stretch of the M25 that has been travelling in excess of the speeds mentioned and it has never been flashed (not necessarily saying i was driving!).
I was under the impression that fixed cameras on motorways were only legal if they were enforcing a reduced speed limit - i.e. when the variable signs that they have on parts of the M25 or M42 are on, or stretches where there are roadworks.
Don't quote me on this though as the government seems to be trying every trick to catch motorists breaking the speed limit - and before anyone says it, yes i know it is illegal but a large proportion of drivers do it - especially now they've just announced an £18 billion hole in their budget, so we can expect things to get worse.
Well I know thats wrong for a fact,those camera's are live as I had a speeding fine for 112 mph 6 points and a £200 fine,there was no speed indicated at the time.When I went to court there was another couple of drivers in for the same offence.

[Gary]

That does surprise me, i had always thought fixed cameras were illegal on motorway when the normal 70 limit was in place, although you do get the police sat on bridges sometimes around that area.
Thanks for correcting me, i don't want anyone getting a ticket!
Sounds like you had a result with the outcome of the case as well given your speed.
Most of the gantrees don't have cameras, but anyone travelling between the M40 and M4 either way should be careful as there is usually one on this stretch.

[Raj]

I got flashed today by a notorious camera that I pass everyday. Its amazing how you get so used to the roads and you get flashed by a camera you tell all the others to watch out for. What a twat.

It flashes at 34 or higher.:mad: And guess what, I was doing spot on 34 :(

Unless you were going 35 matey, I am surprised, as most/all fixed camera allow 10% plus 2mph so in a 30 would be 35 to allow for inaccuracy, etc in speedo.

Hopefully nothing will come of it though.

[J1mmy]

Quite brave aren't you posting the fact you speed on the internet haha

[Chaos]

I had a similar mail today from someone at the Met.

"I have received information from RPU Traffic Management that the Company who look after the Variable Speed cameras between Jct 10 - 15 on the M25 on behalf of the Metropolitan police are ACTIVATING the cameras from 15/02/08. The current cameras are analogue and the speed for enforcement is set at 93mph. However the system is changing to Digital and the Commissioner as directed the company to set the cameras at ACPO guidelines, this will be 80mph.

I suggest that any incident you attend and have to use the M25 you put a marker in your PNB with the Icad number as this will no doubt create more work for the Inspector and Sgts to investigate speed complaints and the Icad number will assist us with regards to police purpose. If the incident is not police purpose then YOU will be liable for the offence of Speeding.

Full details of when the system goes live Digitally will be circulated once Traffic Management have the details"


The content looks accurate enough, but some of the grammar and capitalisation does not. Either it's not a direct copy of an official mail, or it's a hoax. Personally I suspect the latter even though the source is usually quite quick to recognise and not pass on those. As has been said though, it's an unpleasant risk to take if you're the guinea pig..

[Hotcoupe]

Black Sabbath Quote:
Well I know thats wrong for a fact,those camera's are live as I had a speeding fine for 112 mph 6 points and a £200 fine,there was no speed indicated at the time.When I went to court there was another couple of drivers in for the same offence.

That was a result, I'm surprised you kept your license and £200.00 fine was a bargain at that speed. I got done on the M3 some years ago @ 103MPH and just hung onto my license but it cost me 5pts and a £700.00 fine. (PS,not a bragging war,just surprised at such differences)


Gary Most of the gantrees don't have cameras, but anyone travelling between the M40 and M4 either way should be careful as there is usually one on this stretch.

If you're referring to the M25 stretch Jct 10 - Heathrow, it's more the case that there are more camera's on gantries then not.
Try driving round it with a TomTom with alerts set,I hear the alarm going off more than Johnny Vaughan slagging off some Welshman!

[Gary]

If the 60 limit (or lower) signs are on then i stick to that, if not then i might be doing a bit over 70. The signs actually state variable speed limit cameras (certainly at the M40 end of the variable limit stretch), so not sure of the legality of them unless a variable limit is in place?
Not sure I'll be testing it though!

[mystic sport]

http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=230818

[XKaLiBaR]

the amount of people that are going to get caught is ridiculous. i wished i lived before the 18th century. at least then you only got beaten up for not paying tax. that was nothing compared to getting points on your license, and having to pay extra to insurance for the next 5 years.

[Black Sabbath]

Quite brave aren't you posting the fact you speed on the internet haha
Not at all,its a matter of public record anyway now ;) I dont think I've ever said that I never speed,because like everyone else I have.My offence was 6 years ago now though :p

[Blaze1235]

This is my opinion.

you put your foot down you take your chance. i've been lucky always been pulled by an traffic orifice and yes sir'd and no sir'd and i know i'm a c**t sir'd my way to a slapped wrist.

Jay don't think it's a piss take mate at anytime of the day the limt is the limit.

If they let you get away with 80 then thats a bonus.

i don't like it either, but i except it. i got a heavy foot and a right hand that twists from notch notch on regular occasions i get caught i takes me dues and swallow it.

like one officer said to me "what would you do if i stuck you on for speedng, ilegal exhaust and ilegal number plate" me i said "

err pay it sir.

[BMW JAY84]

This is my opinion.

you put your foot down you take your chance. i've been lucky always been pulled by an traffic orifice and yes sir'd and no sir'd and i know i'm a c**t sir'd my way to a slapped wrist.

Jay don't think it's a piss take mate at anytime of the day the limt is the limit.

If they let you get away with 80 then thats a bonus.

i don't like it either, but i except it. i got a heavy foot and a right hand that twists from notch notch on regular occasions i get caught i takes me dues and swallow it.

like one officer said to me "what would you do if i stuck you on for speedng, ilegal exhaust and ilegal number plate" me i said "

err pay it sir.

The reason I think it's a piss take is its purely a money making exercise there is no reason why the motorway speed limit could not be 100mph out of peak times. I understand what your saying about taking your chance. But this is nothing other than exploitation. I am not talking about using the road as a racetrack. All I am saying is that I will drive the speed and way conditions allow. Im sure a lot of other posters will agree.

Furthermore I think if this is true the number of accidents will increase dramatically as people slam their anchors on just before the cams then speed up again. See if im not right :mad:

[Gary]

Jay,
I reckon you're right, as soon as people see that first flash in their rear view mirror i bet a fair few will slam the brakes on. Its bad enough at the moment with people braking hard before each gantry if they're approaching a bit quick.

[Blaze1235]

I think with modern technology we are lucky to have got away with it for so long.

but hey f8ck it i adon't go near heathrow if i can avoid it anyway suckers lol:D

[Hotcoupe]

BMW JAY84 Quote:
The reason I think it's a piss take is its purely a money making exercise there is no reason why the motorway speed limit could not be 100mph out of peak times. I understand what your saying about taking your chance. But this is nothing other than exploitation. I am not talking about using the road as a racetrack. All I am saying is that I will drive the speed and way conditions allow. Im sure a lot of other posters will agree.

Furthermore I think if this is true the number of accidents will increase dramatically as people slam their anchors on just before the cams then speed up again. See if im not right

+1

I can understand speed cameras in certain areas of the UK,but on motorways they are nothing more then a casino style slot machine set to hit the jackpot every time a car goes past exceeding a ridiculously low speed limit (for the road conditions) and sets off a raid on the offenders bank account.

Give it 15yrs and your cars will be driven by electronic pulses via satellite and YOUR car will only go as fast as the limit set for the particular road your on.
Your actions and bodily functions will be controlled by some muppet with a joystick sat in Labour/Tory/Liberal/some other party HQ.

Sorry rant over, back to stealtheras (cameras)..........................