335i tuning packages finally available

[Auryn]

We are one of the few companies that can offer a fully integrated and "safe" remap for your 335i.

Because of the sophistication of the particular kind of ECU used in this model, many of the usual "shortcuts" used by some chip tuners to "break into" the ECU's code simply will not work, or requires switching off of the ECU's check- sum control system, which leads to serious engine running and boost control issues further down the line.

Likewise using any kind of piggy back system will result in similar problems.

Power gains :

Standard 306 Bhp @ 5800 rpm
After remap 360 Bhp @ 6250 rpm
Standard Torque 400 Nm @ 1300 rpm
After remap 520 Nm @ 2750 rpm

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g138/Paradyme540i/Nl335IStge1dyno.jpg

Or for one stage further our stage 2 package includes the following :

Larger intercooler
Larger inlet pipes
Sport catalysts
Remapped ECU

Power gains:

Factory standard: 306 Bhp @ 5800rpm / 400Nm @1300 rpm

After conversion : 381 Bhp @ 6250 rpm / 525 Nm @3750 rpm

Package available as supply - only or with fitment.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g138/Paradyme540i/nl335iStge2dyno.jpg

Stage 1 conversion is £1890 with Stage 2 coming in at a cool £6495 :cool:

[Moe]

Prices?? on these seem like a good upgrade??

So the piggy back's are no good? am i right in thinking a procede (sp) chip is a piggy back??

[Ali]

You're charging £1890 for a remap?

[gie0320]

You're charging £1890 for a remap?

Or for one stage further our stage 2 package includes the following :

Larger intercooler
Larger inlet pipes
Sport catalysts
Remapped ECU

Power gains:

Factory standard: 306 Bhp @ 5800rpm / 400Nm @1300 rpm

After conversion : 381 Bhp @ 6250 rpm / 525 Nm @3750 rpm

Package available as supply - only or with fitment.
:)

[dxb335d]

I personally if i had the petrol varient would go with Procede, a friend of mine with this one mod alone achieve 399.9bhp!

[gie0320]

Prices?? on these seem like a good upgrade??

So the piggy back's are no good? am i right in thinking a procede (sp) chip is a piggy back??
Stage 1 conversion is £1890 with Stage 2 coming in at a cool £6495 :)

[Ali]

Sorry, I'm confused as to the point of the copy and paste above?

[gie0320]

Sorry, I'm confused as to the point of the copy and paste above?
Sorry Ali, I was just showing that it also includes the larger Intercooler. Larger Inlet pipes,sport catalyst etc etc, which is why the price is so high.:) From what i am understanding anyway.

[gie0320]

Sorry, I'm confused as to the point of the copy and paste above?
Must learn to learn to read...lesson to myself:confused:

[Moe]

The remap is £1890 if i am not mistaken and the £6495 is for the intercooler

[Moe]

I personally if i had the petrol varient would go with Procede, a friend of mine with this one mod alone achieve 399.9bhp!

How much is the chip??? Can it be detected by BMW (sorry if this a stupid q)

[dxb335d]

Yes it is a plug in module, it can be seen by BMW so would have to be removed upon taking the car to the dealers. Can be imported from the US for less than a grand.

[Moe]

How does the gearbox cope with the extra power??

[adood84]

is the 2nd stage really worth it ? offering only 21 bhp and 5 Nm over the 1st stage , genuine question as this is how most people are going to see it : stage 2 is 350% on the price of stage one for 5% the bhp and 1% the torque over stage one

[danch]

You spend £30k plus on a BMW and then use a plug in piggy back system:eek:

I would imaging that the figures in the first post will be wheel power figures ,not engine power figures as I cannot see a plug in unit making more power than uprated intercoolers, larger piping & custom map;) .

I would also say that the Stage I kit would be £1890 but the Stage II kit includes the Stage I (I may be wrong:rolleyes: )

Dan

[adood84]

I would also say that the Stage I kit would be £1890 but the Stage II kit includes the Stage I (I may be wrong:rolleyes: )

Dan


still your paying much more for a little increase(Stage 1 vs 2)

[danch]

is the 2nd stage really worth it ? offering only 21 bhp and 5 Nm over the 1st stage , genuine question as this is how most people are going to see it : stage 2 is 350% on the price of stage one for 5% the bhp and 1% the torque over stage one

I would not be surprised if the standard turbos are being pushed to the limit that is why not much gains over Stage I.

It seems as though you can only get a steady 13 psi out of the stock turbo's, you may get 15psi for a bit but will then get drop off.

Dan

[danch]

still your paying much more for a little increase(Stage 1 vs 2)

Quite true adood, Stage I seems like a worthwhile package indeed.

Dan

[dxb335d]

I have seen a 335i on the rollers make 399.9 BHP. They make 320ish stock.. So not a crazy gain, about right really with a plug in module running more boost, fuel and with adjusting timing.
Gearbox is strong, i have not heard of one going pop yet. I personally would worry aout the differential first. But if your going to tune a 335i or 335d you really should be thinking of a quaife diff.

[CA Automotive UK]

morning :)

yes these items seem a little costly, but they are pretty unique, and we do not set the prices on these 335 packages.

Any piggy back unit ( xede for instance) will cause running problems in the long term, ( idle, boost control etc). Long story short, the 335 uses a new and vey sophisticated kind of "uncrackable" processor. You need what is called a unique RMA "key " that only BMW officially posess. Normal remap methods do not work, the only way to make them or the piggy back units work is to switch off what is called the "check sum controls", which works ok until service time, when BMW will load latest version software ( there have been over 40 versions released so far for this model) ...then the problems begin.

As far as we ( and all other tuner swe spoke to ) know, the only way to effectively and reliably remap these cars, and maintain long term integrity is to do it the correct BMW way.

The way it seems just now, very few map tuners will be able to provide this kind of "proper" remap for the 335 i in the forseeable future.

[Moe]

Is this the same map that was on the docs 335d?

[Auryn]

Is this the same map that was on the docs 335d?

Docs? dont you mean Nicks 335d? & no its not the same, the 335d uses a completely different ecu-processor-software-and fuel! :p

[Moe]

Yerr i ments nicks. Thought it was the same process, obviously different fuel lol

[dxb335d]

all tuning is roughly the same proces, the more fuel you burn the more power you make.

With turbocharged engines its easier to get good gains compared to an N/A motor.

With turbos Boost needs to be increased with the fuel and the ignition timing needs to be altered. Of course they need to be set up correctly throughout the rev range under different loads.


Carlos

[CA Automotive UK]

what we meant was that it is not the same remap used on the 335 petrol as on the diesel, and the ECU sare different also :)

But what carlos says is spot on in terms of such tuning....

[Hotcoupe]

CA Automotive UK morning

yes these items seem a little costly, but they are pretty unique, and we do not set the prices on these 335 packages.

Any piggy back unit ( xede for instance) will cause running problems in the long term, ( idle, boost control etc). Long story short, the 335 uses a new and vey sophisticated kind of "uncrackable" processor. You need what is called a unique RMA "key " that only BMW officially posess. Normal remap methods do not work, the only way to make them or the piggy back units work is to switch off what is called the "check sum controls", which works ok until service time, when BMW will load latest version software ( there have been over 40 versions released so far for this model) ...then the problems begin.

As far as we ( and all other tuner swe spoke to ) know, the only way to effectively and reliably remap these cars, and maintain long term integrity is to do it the correct BMW way.

The way it seems just now, very few map tuners will be able to provide this kind of "proper" remap for the 335 i in the forseeable future.
You mention the 'key', is this the same type of 'key' that got Shitzner in the poo!
No I did not spell Schnitzer wrong ;)

[Silver]

If I had 335i I personally go with Roy remaps. It alot more smoother compare to plug in module from Amercia.

[Auryn]

You mention the 'key', is this the same type of 'key' that got Shitzner in the poo!
No I did not spell Schnitzer wrong ;)

yup :cool:

[dxb335d]

If I had 335i I personally go with Roy remaps. It alot more smoother compare to plug in module from Amercia.


There are also 2 BMW employees surving a prison sentence over this affair.

[Auryn]

There are also 2 BMW employees surving a prison sentence over this affair.

they're Bosch employees not BMW :)

[dxb335d]

they're Bosch employees not BMW :)

Oh i have been informed incorrectly then.:D

[CA Automotive UK]

that is what we heard anyway, but it was all to do with the same matter of "aquiring" protected BMW RMA keys for Infinian and other processors.

BMW's aim is to make all their cars unmappable by aftermarket tuners from now on :eek: :(

they say for every safe there is a safe cracker, but according to all the best info we have, including our Mr X ( who actually did some of the mapping work for BMW on the new M3 and 335i), it will never be possible to "crack" these new type ECU's without braeking the law by getting hold of the RMA keys and special coded interfaces required.

But then I guess they said we will nevre get to the moon...kets see what happens :)

[dxb335d]

So how come you able to Re-map the 335d so easily?



Carlos

[CA Automotive UK]

All i can say is that we are not breaking the law here, and that we are not using any formof piggy back or parallel system :)

[Chaos]

Roy's mapper is Harry Potter. Next month they're doing FA on a Ford Anglia, at which point it will become obvious to all. I've outed them first though, so I win Teh Prize. ;)

[Auryn]

Roy's mapper is Harry Potter. Next month they're doing FA on a Ford Anglia, at which point it will become obvious to all. I've outed them first though, so I win Teh Prize. ;)

my little cousin Natalie (the blonde one you met at Kerrang) is working on the set of harry potter in the special effects department! totally irrelevant to anything other than the harry potter bit :p