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peppernick
22-05-2007, 07:12 PM
Well, why not? ..... :)

The 335d is a significant departure from what I was used to, even when compared the 330ci I had before M ownership got the better of me. The 335d is exciting, it's brand new, it has gargantuant torque, it has an automatic gearbox, it can do 37MPG and most of all, to me it's a blank sheet of paper I can use to quench my thirst for modding. I had several ideas that were unchartered territory, the potential the car has to create a new whirlwind of interest in tuning.

But let's get down to business, what is the 335d like in relation to everyday driving, how does it get on with 'normal' people who likes the driving dynamics of a BMW. The 335d is truely a superb machine, it is the most compromised car you'll ever find, so compromised that it will invariably capture the interest of anyone who gets behind it's wheel. Well built, very comfortable, deceptively fast, superbly refine, yet dynamic enough to entice the driver into a bit of naughtiness at times, safe in the knowledge that 'nanny' will be there to cushion should you slip. As a car that gets you from A-B comfortably, you'll be very hard pushed to find another car that can better it. Never had you hear me say I'll take the 335d over a Mercedes Benz S500 if I were to drive from London to Glasgow, in traffic, on the motorway, on a business trip. I'll feel just as refreshed at the end of my journey, I would have had a better share of driving thrills, and the 335d will cost me significantly less money. Really, the 335d has become the interloper in the world of luxury cruisers, for those who like their driving.

However, ............. however, being a car enthusiast, and for me to choose a BMW and stay with the marque for the past 5 years, it'll be pretentious for me to say I am not at all out to seek the most driving thrill I can get, from the cars that I can afford. Here is where I find the 335d a bit 'empty'. It's too refine for it's own good. I'm not talking about tyre burning action, tail out drifting and the likes, I'm referring to overall feedback. Yes, the 335d has one of the best steering feel and the chassis is communicative, but the heart of a car, the engine, is bland despite the power and torque. In fact, I would say it's numb. 2000RPM and 5000RPM feels the same. I accidentally forgot to put the gearbox back in D after a session of manual gearchanges and I was happily crusing at 4500RPM in second, when I should be in 4th and 1500RPM, without a hint of what I was doing. The crest of the torque wave is tantalising, but anything after 4000RPM is soft. A times I wish I had another 3000RPM.

It's a great car no doubt. If I were to do it all over again, I will still entertain the idea. The 335d is one car that I will want to keep, perhaps a newer version of the same model in the years to come. However, to say that it's all the car I ever need, I wouldn't bet on it. I still love the taste of petrol too much to subject myself to a stable diet of diesel. A cocktail of both is ideal. And the prices of 4 year old M3 CSLs is beginning to whet my appetite, I'm sure there is an effective formula I can think of to drug my bank manager lol: ......... but I'll save it for the time when the urge is near breaking point, which I must admit is not all that far away ;)

kpkpkp
22-05-2007, 07:20 PM
Nick,

Gotta say "wicked write up" and it is nice to see the honesty in you and the love of petrol - I had a tear up with a 335D the otherday and I was shocked at how quick it was and this was both rolling and away from the lights.

Kp

adood84
22-05-2007, 07:23 PM
Very nice write up :) dude glad your enjoying it

So we could see more CSLs in the crew cars :D:D it will be black right :D

imu
22-05-2007, 07:30 PM
Good point Nick. There's no doubting that the 335d is a compromise after having owned a M3, but i could think of many other worse stop-gap cars that can't do half of what the 335d can do (and depreciate more and cost to a lot more to run at the same time) while your waiting for something else to tickle your fancy... ;)

Thanks again for yesterday evening mate :)

gIzzE
22-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Nick I know exactly what you mean, I had the 535d and then the CSL, I needed to get back into something that I could do more miles in so the CSL had to go, I thought that maybe it would have been a 335d, in fact after getting into a 2005 S4 I knew it had to be a 335d (don't ask about the S4, truly horrific car!). I had actually done a deal over the phone on a 335d and was due to go and see it on the Monday, I suddenly decided on the Sunday to drive to Colchester and take the 335i out, just to make sure.
I called the dealer on Monday morning and swapped over to the petrol!

Now I guess you are thinking I am saying you should have bought the 335i, but I am not, what I am saying is I am the same as you, the car does everything, and it does everything well, really well.
I am getting 25mpg (30+ on a run) which is only 2mpg behind the 535d I had, I am getting seriously quick times even in stock form, getting 4.9seconds to 60mph using my AP22 timing meter, got 4.7 from the CSL and 5.5 from the 535d (after DMS), so it is plenty quick enough.
But there is something missing, there is no rawness.

I used to jump off the sofa at midnight and go for a 2 hour blast in the M3, can't see me ever doing that in the 335, it does a job and that is all it does.
It is not the fact it is a diesel mate, it is the fact it is not an M.

I am trying to decide what to do, keep it for another 12 months and enjoy it, which I will, or just get out now and buy another E46 M3.

SpeedTrap
22-05-2007, 08:54 PM
Nick dude:) You and I know that you want an M5! Come and shop with me:)

Black Sabbath
22-05-2007, 09:05 PM
I like your frankness about the car Nick,and I think like has been said its the lack of the M badge that stops it being the complete package.

peppernick
22-05-2007, 09:32 PM
the lack of the M badge that stops it being the complete package.
Well Mark, you see, the M badge does not make the car complete. The 335d wins hands down when it comes to offering the complete package. We work and live for excitement and if driving is one of the excitements, you will ultimately want something that's a balls out driving machine with other aspects of the car that is acceptable to you; safely knowing you still have the most complete car sitting in waiting if balls out driving ever gets tiresome. That is my complete package :cool:



Nick dude :) You and I know that you want an M5! Come and shop with me
Jerome dude, the E60 M5 is too big a car and too heavy. It will never be as complete as a 335D and a CSL in waiting :D

Raja_SMGII
23-05-2007, 12:14 AM
Nick you've become far to acustomed to high reving engines and your suffering withdrawal! Good write-up; CSLs still seem to be comanding £30k though and just don't seem to be budging!

M_Hunter
23-05-2007, 07:06 AM
That was a very good write up, one of the best i have read on a car...

To be honest nick - your car is an inspiration to BMW owners to have a car just like yours, and so are many peoples on this forum. i love signing in to this site and finding what amazing stuff fas has put on his gorgeous vert.
or what ice you packed in to your 335 which we all thought virtually impossible before....

what new stuff SSDD or CA have got for sale or on offer or which member has got a double page spread in a mag.

But to be brutal :D ... your cars the best E92 yet, and probally will stay up there for the future :)


Martyn

1295charlie
23-05-2007, 07:18 AM
Amazing and frank write up. read it twice.
not having been in a motor for 2 months (drivers withdrawal) i feel like going hame early and just blasting out on the country rds.
inspirational man! thank-you

benny boy
23-05-2007, 07:57 AM
A great write up Nick as always. So the 335d will be going soon then :eek:

peppernick
23-05-2007, 08:20 AM
So the 335d will be going soon then :eek:
Not a chance ;) It's too good an all round car. I just need something totally insensible that revs its nuts off to compliment it :cool:

CSL is ideal but very costly, especially when the D still needs to be modded. However, something like this is enticing :D No modding, just buy it, trash it, and flung it ......

http://www.plansmotorsport.com/seo-images/vauxhall-vx220-photo-tuning-servicing-race-preparation.jpg

lumus
23-05-2007, 09:27 AM
vx220 would be great to sling around. what about an elise? can be picked up for pennies really.

great write up, I was very interested reading it, as i thought a mapped 335d is the perfect car right now, at least in its class. Ticks all the boxs etc.
I guess it depends what you really want out of your car. As much as you want an allrounder, if you crave one factor more than another (performance/thrill, or economy/comfort) you wont be happy with any car that doesnt hit you hard with and focus on that one thing.

hmmmm, CSL. how about a regular M3 for 20k or so and supercharging it with a few visual mods to boot? similar money.

peppernick
23-05-2007, 09:49 AM
what about an elise? can be picked up for pennies really.

The Elise is FUGLY. I prefer the VX220. Plus no point paying more on insurance just because it's a Lotus.



how about a regular M3 for 20k or so and supercharging it with a few visual mods to boot?
The idea is a car with little in a way of depreciation, so no mods for it. It will be used purely as a driving tool. CSLs despite their higher price, seems to be holding their value well. E30 M3 is also an option as the cars will only appreciate in value (some has gone up to £15k!).

churchwa
23-05-2007, 09:52 AM
Nick, get an S2000, that will rev it's nuts of and is very addictive to drive. ;) (I know I am biased)

big pimp
23-05-2007, 04:09 PM
nick - i am pondering this exact thing at this moment in time, and awaiting a call from stealers soon - 335d or E46M3

it will be used for business and pleasure, probably will cover 15 - 20k p.a.

head says 335d, heart says E46M3...

but everything you have ever written about your new baby steers me more and more towards the 335d - it seems to be a wiser option from a purely financial point of view - what would you recommend?